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Awesome video! Thanks for showing us the lane and how it’s affected. I’ll keep that all in mind as I head to my next league night
Brian: After just 15 minutes of two players practicing, 38 feet can resemble 40 feet.
Add 6 more players and give em all urethane equipment, and all of a sudden 38 feet turns into 50 feet lol
was thinking the same thing. For someone like me who’s just an amateur Thursday night league bowler the amount of people throwing all different lines really plays havoc on the oil
@Tony Guerrier yep and you get the guys that don’t have the rev rate to throw urethane doing it anyway and just messing up your line. Not to bash low rev guys I kind of a tweener myself so I feel I would be far from making a purple hammer a real weapon for me. But they can erase my line fast too.
I’m a newbie at age 65 lol 😂 and I love your tips
Nice video and great tips as always. Ran into transition on league last week which was drastic. Congratulations on your switch to Roto Grip.
Carry down without using urethane. I’ve been arguing this with folks for 2 years. There is no way 100% of the oil will be absorbed by your ball. Some oil is being redistributed on every shot thrown.
Why are you arguing with people about bowling?
i have been bowling again after 20 years 3 years back i have improved my average from 167 my first season to this last season averaging 195 thanks to tips from this channel and some serious practice and equipment up grades thankyou so much
Awesome stuff! Thanks for watching.
Most house shots I bowled on would dry out as they were just applying more oil on the front before each league and there was already carry down. Before one league where they stripped the lanes before they oiled them, there was no oil on the back end so that caused what you described. As a right hander, I would keep moving right the first game or two as the oil carried down. Eventually some the oil would dry and I would start moving left. Most of the alleys I bowled would strip the lanes once a week. There was always that one day each week where the lanes would score the best. This was 20 years ago so I don’t know if this is still common today.
That’s an excellent point that I never considered, and you don’t hear talked about much. How often does bowling center management strip off the carrydown oil on the lane between the pattern and the pins?
@Pete G I bet it’s not too often. Always come into league and just feel like the lanes are murky rather than having clean backends even during practice. Along with never wiping any oil off the pin deck, it can lead to some tough time scoring with pins sliding that should probably be falling.
Excellent. Best visual ive seen to explain.carry down and transition. Great job.
Thanks so much!
Can you explain the difference between reactive and urethane effects this transition?
Also, difference between dull and shinny surfaces?
Urethane flares less which will keep more oil where the ball is rolling. This oil will move down lane faster than an oil-absorbent bowling ball coverstock. Same goes for shiny vs dull. Good question!
@InsideBowling flair is how much the axis of rotation changes, correct?
@horseshoe Kinda – it’s the trail of oil left on your ball from the spin axis changing as the weight block settles into it’s preferred spin axis. The more the spin axis changes, the more the ball can turn during this transition because it’s essentially using more fresh ball surface (and thus more flare). The less the spin axis changes, the more used ball surface touches the lane again (and thus less flare), which pushes the oil down more.
Been nice if you could do it with coloured oil.
MORE OF THESE TYPE OF TIPS PLEASE!!! Bowling Mythbusters!!!
Thanks. We will try.
Great tip and Shannon love the roto grip shirt congratulations on the switch
This I a great video. So many people don’t know or understand what you just showed. A buddy who bowls was over and we happened to throw the PBA on, where you can see the oil. This was something that was amazing to watch happen in real time. Especially with 2 bowlers using Urethane!
I hope someday that could be used as a coaching and video tool.
Keep up the good work!
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Wow , thanks for the explaining the oil changes on the lane , can you give any advices on which ball to use when the oil on lane starting to to move around ? I usually start with my reactive ball , then later change to urethane ball in the third game . Any advices ? I appericate it very much.
That’s hard to answer very specifically as the ball choice could depend on the oil pattern being used, the lane surface and the individual bowlers ball speed, rev rate and ball roll. Sometimes as the oil moves and the lanes transition a bit the correct adjustment could be using the same ball but making moves laterally with the feet and target. Thanks for watching and thanks for the question!
Taking a look at the first 6 ft of the lane would be good too. I’d be interested in your opinions on how to deal with it as well. I do realize all of the variables involved makes this a tough one to answer
I play that faithful down and in from the 10 board right off. But so does everyone else on my team and half the teams we bowl. Learning to really keep the elbow rotated in and stay behind the ball more and I found I have a powerful roll with little hook but more a snap at the end . For me that is keeping the ball from the 11 to the 20. Anything out side the 10 is going to scream back left because the oil is gone and their is early friction. Stay behind it and it goes longer before turning and mostly the ball is not burning up its energy and not carry. Low rev players need to concentrate their game to play in the oil more I think. You would think the opposite, but you do not always need a huge angle and a forward roll also means a little more speed and that is not always bad. Having multiple attacks angles and even balls to change to with less surface. To me it is a must if you want to really hold anything north or 200 average. Lot of good tips for us to learn from on you tube at the moment. This is just as good and even better than others. You guys have helped my average a bunch. Remember don’t be afraid to move or ball placement 5 or 10 boards in.
Wow very useful!! Everyone kept telling me this but I had no idea! That’s why I’ll shoot a 258 then drop to a 209!
Exactly then multiply this by 2 teams of 5 bowlers on a pair of lanes, say all are right handed and after the first game the carry down is apparent and I end up moving right a few boards but usually add a bit of ball speed or loft the ball out a bit more and still have a nice shot!
So what would guys say if I didn’t have that much rev and the carry down happened, what type of ball(solid, pearl, sym, asym, etc) should I throw? 🙏
I’m joining a league in June: 4 players per team. I bowl 4-6 games solo on non-league days. Since the center is quieter on weekdays, I am usually able to get 2 lanes for cross play. Should I instead only ask for 1 lane to try to get it to transition?